Ante Meridiem

Just cause I was feeling left out...

1. haste/str in yellow or straight haste?
2. moar HB or less HB?
3. when was the last time you actually tanked a heroic in tank gear?
4. will blizz buff us anytime soon or will we forever be meh single target and not bad aoe?
5. wtf is up with shammys and chain lightning?

Are you 2H or DW in frost? If it's 2H:

1) Both have worked fine for me, and I would say it depends on your style of play. I tried gemming fulll haste to (haste reached 78%) but I have also done str/haste (haste to 70%). Gemming full haste means more activity and requires quicker response, while focusing on strength means more relaxed gameplay (your third highest damage will be from free-swings).

2) In single target only HB when there's a Rime proc or if Frost Fever is about to fall off, which rarely happens. With 3+ targets I switch to MasterFrost style of play which utilizes the blood and frost runes for HB.

3) Cata Heroics. These days I tank on my bear.

4) I think we're pretty strong as it is. That's my opinion.

5) The dark side of the force?

1) 2H purely haste according to most sites, but alot like WW monks, it depends on your play style
2) Rime on proc, i hope your not asking about aoe situations...cuz you know...
3) Alot of blood tanks go for exp>hit>haste>mastery now...so no?
4) Change specs to UH kthxbai
5) ^(up arrow)

Can you really effectively tank in DPS gear? If so I'll relearn my Blood

For 2h I would go haste and haste/hit were able.

For DW I would go str/mastery & str/hit

As for if DKs dps. I still think Frost 2h > DW is the best for raids but Unholy did get buffs and can be just as good if you manage everything perfect. I find DK dps is really strong. I am at 516 with just the t15 2pc set and I do about 180k - 120k sustain dps and about 200k - 300k open burst. If you think that is meh I don't know what to tell you.

There is apparently some heretics that are pushing for haste stacking as a DK tank. it supposedly works for trash and farm content, certainly a heroic 5-man.

Not at our current progression.

I use some haste...I'd never gem for it though.

Really, it's about equal to parry in stats for blood.


Unholy is fun although I suck at it. Going to try master frost this week on my dps'n fights.

i use str/haste gems for my dk 2h frost.

xy 2h frost is actually really easy and a hell of a lot more fun then unholy. just annoying when all your KM procs are when you are dumping RP on FS.

I've switched to str/haste gems now, since my stat weights put str(1) > haste (.67). Also, get Quartz (or an alternative addon), make sure it's showing you the swing timer. Dump RP when you're not about to finish a swing so you can monitor for KM procs. Huge difference in dps.

New recruit here, glad to be joining the ranks of the fellow undead. I was asked what I thought about unholy in my vent interview, and I'm considering hard switching to it. any advice from ya'll?

Darkbremeth wrote:any advice from ya'll?

Have xyon teach you. I'm planning to switch to it too, but that might depend on whether or not festerblight dies in T16. Blood DK tier is looking ridiculous as of the datamining though.

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Item - Death Knight T16 Blood 2P Bonus (New) Every 4 Heart Strikes, Rune Strikes, or Blood Boils will add one charge to your next Bone Shield.
Item - Death Knight T16 Blood 4P Bonus (New) Dancing Rune Weapon will reactivate all Frost and Unholy runes as Death Runes, and make your next 4 Death Strikes free.
Item - Death Knight T16 DPS 2P Bonus (New) Killing Machine and Sudden Doom grant 500 Haste or Mastery, whichever is highest, for [ 200% of hnd + 4 ] sec, stacking up to 10 times.
Item - Death Knight T16 DPS 4P Bonus (New) Death Coil increases the duration of Dark Transformation by 1.5 sec per cast. Pillar of Frost increases rune regeneration speed by 100% while active.

2H Frost secondary stat priority is likely going to become a pain in the ass.

When I'm home I can post all my unholy weak auras. I've been playing festerblight on the fights I'm not needed as a tank for, still working on a better unholy UI you can see most of them on my twitch channel...I need a better unholy UI. I will have to build one when I have spare time at work.


t16 looks like it's making love to unholy.

Xyonjia wrote:t16 looks like it's making love to unholy.

Does this affect festerblight positively? I'm thinking about making a tank spec, and depending on how much they screw up 2H Frost, I might just have Unh/Blood as my two specs instead.

i see what you guys are saying about unholy, but you can't honestly tell me that the 2pc isn't sexy as shit for 2h frost?