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Re: Two tech problems 1 PC

Post#16 » 13 Sep 2016, 12:39

Packhunter wrote:More info:

Since I got the TV Tuner card if I play a game, run Windows Media Center to record, there is a chance of system hardlock. TV Tuner Card is now in it's 3rd system.

I did a fresh reinstall of Windows last year, almost to the day. At the time I skipped the CD/DVD and download the drivers right from ASUS/AMD/Haup/Logitech, ect.


I think you're on to something there chief... :lol: :lol:
That was my second guess if not one of the hard drive.

Start by uninstalling it, removing all drivers for it, remove the card and use the computer for a few days, see if the problem returns, if its not.. you know the cause.
Either find updated drivers (be mindful of 32 vs 64bit), or get a new card.
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Re: Two tech problems 1 PC

Post#17 » 13 Sep 2016, 15:46

KillerPotato wrote:
Packhunter wrote:More info:

Since I got the TV Tuner card if I play a game, run Windows Media Center to record, there is a chance of system hardlock. TV Tuner Card is now in it's 3rd system.

I did a fresh reinstall of Windows last year, almost to the day. At the time I skipped the CD/DVD and download the drivers right from ASUS/AMD/Haup/Logitech, ect.


I think you're on to something there chief... :lol: :lol:
That was my second guess if not one of the hard drive.

Start by uninstalling it, removing all drivers for it, remove the card and use the computer for a few days, see if the problem returns, if its not.. you know the cause.
Either find updated drivers (be mindful of 32 vs 64bit), or get a new card.


Trust me my gut has pointed me towards that tuner card a few times. Especially given how to install it, it requires you use the original disk, even to install a driver from the net.

The problem is how do you test the card, and the crash issue if both are random. It's not like a power supply or HD problem where there are tests. I mean during those BSD sometimes the card wasn't engaged at the time of the crash, can it even hovering in the back ground cause the crashes?

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Post#18 » 13 Sep 2016, 15:58

Very simple, you do what I said.
You said that since you got the card the problems started happening.

Take it out, run for a few days, or a week without it, no locks ? everything is good ?
There is your answer.
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Post#19 » 13 Sep 2016, 19:54

Possible corruption, still stickin by driver though, especially with the more info I'm learning from what you're saying that you run and things that are causing it, might need to uninstall and reinstall something that you had installed around the time it all started, would have to go back through bsod logs and such to find it, I mean, I'm so confident in it I'd almost bet my life. Don't fear the ccleaner prog, it can help immensely atm.

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Post#20 » 14 Sep 2016, 07:12

Clearly I had a choice here, and as much as I don't like programs like Cclean, I don't like playing with hardware that appears to work in the 90%+ ball park either though.

I've run CClean found 703 registry errors (ouch), and a whole load of junk files.

I'll keep an eye on the recording schedule, try to trigger a crash and see what happens.

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Post#21 » 18 Sep 2016, 07:21

Well hate to bump an old thread, but . . .

PC hardlocked this morning, TV tuner card was not on at the time. Had to do a manual reboot.

Possible suspect, memory problems with WMC since the computer did record over night. I am going to run Mem86 tomorrow before going to work. Hope that 10 hours of that can clear the ram as a suspect unless there are other ideas besides pulling the TV tuner card? Or a bigger case maybe to let it handle heat build up better?

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Post#22 » 18 Sep 2016, 08:50

Download a program called glary utilities... it has a one click repair function and then a ton of individual functions to clean it even deeper. It's free and it's what I use on all PCs I work on.
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Re: Two tech problems 1 PC

Post#23 » 18 Sep 2016, 10:30

Update time: Within an hour at most of game play after the first reboot, I the machine locked up again.

All I was running was WoW, and an e-mail client.

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Post#24 » 26 Sep 2016, 19:35

Ran Glary Ultities, found its own set of errors, all patched up and fixed. Hardlocked again while playing WoW.

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Rebooted Temperatures were:
CPU: 65C
MB: 41C

Possible problem heat? Case is closed since Fall is here. :P

Fan set up for PC as follows

2X 140 MM fans at front drawing fresh air IN
2X 140 MM fans above MB pushing air OUT.
2X 120 MM fans acting as a vacuum (One drawing air in, one out) on the radiator.

Theory: Case too close to back of the desk, so instead of heat dissipating, it's feeding back into the computer causing it to over heat.

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Post#25 » 02 Oct 2016, 11:47

You logged off too quick Pack =p These are my temps just hanging out in my garrison.

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Re: Two tech problems 1 PC

Post#26 » 03 Oct 2016, 07:32

Looks like I am on to something, at least with the heat theory.

I e-mailed AMD asked for the max safe temperature my CPU should run at, and they said 62 degrees. Assuming Celsius, but might be Fahrenheit.

Give how every time I reboot the PC after a hardlock the PC is 64C+(Yesterday it ran up to 75). I guess this means I am going to be looking for a new liquid coolant system for the CPU.

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Post#27 » 03 Oct 2016, 11:05

Yeah temps that high aren't good for a cpu. Might be just bad thermal past between the cpu and heatsink. But liquid cooling systems are nice. I use the corsair ones in my systems but others are just as good. Running on those closed loop systems even after raiding a few hours my temps in my i7 6700k don't get over 50c (and yes temps are in Celsius when you are getting stuff from manufacturers).
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Post#28 » 10 Oct 2016, 20:57

Well as Deathpal knows I swapped out the cooling system, core temp dropped by over 10C. Did a raid last night for 3 hours, not a hint of a problem.

40 minutes into a raid tonight, vent going PVR recording, machine crashed via BSD.

Tomorrow before I go to work, I am going to run mem86, then try to contact the maker of the card see if they can test it.

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Re: Two tech problems 1 PC

Post#29 » 12 Oct 2016, 14:57

Well took 12 hours, and did 4 runs of Mem86. All the ram is fine.

Next stop contact ASUS and the company that makes the TV tuner, see if there is a way I can test those parts.

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Post#30 » 13 Oct 2016, 17:58

Hey packhunter, all of this information that everyone has merit and is valid; but it is needed to be taken with a grain of salt. Throughout my experiences software tests are hit and misses and bit of a diving rod.
The simply answer is that for BSoD to occur it is a physical failure of some kind. Not to be confused with earlier versions of windows; i.e 3.1 - w95, some versions of w98 could not separate hardware/software failures. Windows XP had a new kernal to be able to keep the system stable and keep it running if it ran into a software/driver issue.
Most often the hardiest problems are solved the easiest, be sure the contacts, cable and any connections are clean and seated properly.

Next heat is a good proponent to failures. Yes your CPU is running a little warm but nothing extraordinarily high, concern yourself when temperatures reach the 90-100c at those temperatures immediate shutdown is recommended.

Faulty ram has cause a number of BSoD in my experience and when tested with software was confirmed that all was in the clear. Take each stick and run it by itself and run your machine as you'd normally would. This step takes the longest, if things run for a few days switch the stick out for the other, vise versa, until all sticks are tested. This however is the cheap way, if ya got the cash to float just take your sticks out and exchange them for another pair. Continue testing hope for the best.

Now with the idea of windows XP virtual machine, it is best to take a thumb drive and install a copy of XP and run the operating system from there. Where you get your OS from is your business. Virtual machines are plagued with problems that are easier solved by using the correct operating system. Did this when I wanted to play Kings Quest VI, virtual machine did not function properly for it to even run.

These are not concrete answers but ways I hope to be able to steer you in the right direction.

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