Sonick wrote:That's pretty harsh considering there are teams that raid the same amount of hours as you that are far better than you as well as teams that raid twice as many hours as you that are far worse. This game has never required the amount of hours outside of raid to stay viable as it has this expansion... Which is the point of the people referring to no lifers. The people upset about the Legion progression time requirement are upset because many of them have played for 10+ years and never had to spend such a ridiculous amou t of time outside of raids to stay competitive.
Sonick wrote:Exorcus was doing 18 hour days in m+ dungeons before mythic EN to ensure their entire team had legendaries. Name another expansion that even had that as a possibility.
Stormstout wrote:I've raided every expansion since BC and I've never had this much issue with the grind.
I do however enjoy this expansion far more than the est. Probably due to mythic plus. I can still enjoy the challenges of the game without devoting hours upon hours to this game.
The fact people are burning out from grinding rather than pushing progression is a clear sign something is majorly off with this expac compared to previous ones.
Numerical wrote:The only grind is from you putting pressure on yourselves to be 54 in the quickest time. Yes, there is an expectation that you are not still 35 or 40 or probably 45 if you are mythic raiding but I do not see a single team in this guild saying you have to be 54 by xx date etc.
YES. If everyone was, it would be much easier for progression but life isn't perfect and raiding and it's associated upkeep isn't either.
Many of us have challenges and reasons why we are slower than others in this guild but it's time to set yourself realistic goals and meet them and stop stressing about what you think is an expectation when it's not. If you have fun while doing it, it won't be a grind!
Edit: completely agree there too sonick. I'm about to hit 49 with limited playtime outside of raid. It is time consuming and I would rather do things like farm my consumables rather than grind the AP but there is light at the end of the tunnel where I'll be able to do that ( for a small time )
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