Druid Boomkin ToT Normal/Heroic Questions and guides.

[Forestland]

So, ever since i joined the guild. my dps started from the lowest(75k) to now so far at 512 gear at 95-98k depending on certain fights. I was asked to put up a thread about the Guild class for further discussions on our tricks and tips for our upcoming Encounters. For now Encounters will be updated as we progress during the fights and i will update for each fight.

Key words
[color=#BF0000]HOTW(Heart of the Wild)
NV(Nature's Vigil)

So first of all let us start with the fights by order.

Jin'rok Normal/Heroic:
-Instead of using HOTW on this fight, Use NV For burst damage, not really usable unless needed for extra heals(Healing Core's are pretty solid)

Horridon Reg/Heroic:
*Regular* NV or HOTW. Really don't matter if you want burst damage, go for NV. If you want survivability just in-case the group is struggling, go HOTWand wait for it to be called out.
*Heroic*Pippilongear has been using Nature vigil's for the extra damage by the 3rd door where the adds are more dps heavy compared to the others, In other question Nature Vigil's will increase your dps which is needed for this fight.
Any tips and tricks you want to suggest, plz let me know so we can apply this to our encounter!

Council of elders:
*Regular* Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot and more dots!. NV for burst
*Heroic* TBD

Tortos:
*Regular*HOTW for this fight. Have a designated Field Kicker, some defense and offense and you're good to go. Stay out of rockfall and do not get close to the bats! They don't drop guano this time..
*Heroic* TBD

Megaera:
*Regular*NV for burst damage. Might differentiate from different strats depending on the team (AM/PM)
*Heroic*Arcane Head becomes available, each time it goes down, it spawns adds as its result.

Ji-kun:
*Regular*Definitely Use HOTW. Huge help on healers as backup heals.
*Heroic*TBD

Durumu:
*Regular*Would recommend going for NV instead of HOTW Unless you really need to use it. DPS adds as they come up if in range, do not exit your designated Color.
*Heroic*TBD

Primordius:
*Regular*Most likely you will be assigned to be the all-the-time-dotter for this fight. Priority are other dps,then yourself then heals. NV Would come in handy here.
*Heroic*TBD

Dark Animus:
*Regular* Your golem is your best buddy on this one. Do not let go of it, if you get swapped, pop a cd(either use AMS/Unending Resolve from Warlocks or cloak it off) Either use NV or HOTW.
*Heroic*TBD

Iron qon:
*Regular* Would suggest Getting Cloak off a rogue to take off the stacks Unleashed Flame after you get 3 stacks cloak it right off. HOTW for this one helps out alot on the last phase.
*Heroic*TBD

Twin Consorts:
*Regular* Getting ams to soak most of the magic effects helps a huge amount. DO not stand near other people even during dusk phase. Ahhh it can be messy sometimes! for sure you will get wet everywhere... Using NV would be best talent to go for burst or HOTW For survivability
*Heroic*TBD

Lei Shen:
*Regular* AMS or cloak, which ever you decide will help you, i mostly use AMS and its available for each thunderstruck. HOTW is a must for this fight. Tons of damage on this fight, so HOTW is the way to go.
*Heroic*TBD


If you have any tips and tricks that you have learned over the years, Post it in here. If you are planning on making a druid guide about Feral/Resto Plz go right ahead. this is from the caster pov, but by making another Pov's would help out future raiders

Best Sites for Boomy Resources:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 582?page=1
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 82?page=26

More websites to come.

Long but gold. Keeps everything where people can find it right away. Ty for your time reading. any feedback appreciated

[Powergirl]

I am surprised you didn't discuss any of the other tier talents.

What is your personal preference for tier one? I had been using the 15% movement speed, but I gave displacer beast a shot and now I'm in love with it.

I honestly am not sure how far boomkin disengage shoots us backward but I never was a fan of disengage to begin with.

How about NS + HT vs Renewal. I've always thought NS + HT is better simply because it should theoretically hit as hard and be available more often, but I've noticed the occasional hiccup in its usage, times when I'm squeezing every single GCD that I can and my NS goes up, but the following HT does not, have you encountered this problem? Is it the same with Renewal? Either way, I've saved many lives, more than my own even, by using it in a clutch situation on a dying raid member.

What about Mass entanglement vs Typhoon for fights like Horridon? Any thoughts?

I'd imagine disorienting roar would be more useful on horridon than Mighty bash as well. Then again, Ursols vortex could shut down a few melee only adds for a few seconds too.


Boomkin and druids in general are so amazingly versatile this expansion. It's one reason I love them. It's the only reason I play them, otherwise I'd be completely satisfied with my warlock. Even now, playing my warlock at times, I wish I could pop HoTW and just start spamming heals when I need too. Actually this is why I always prefer to have hotw over nature's vigil. Though the few times the tanks have died and I've gone in to sub, I always wind up getting squished, though this I suspect is from lack of healer awareness as it has only ever been something I've had to do in LFR, lol.

[Powergirl]

Decided to quote here to keep the other thread from going off topic and this is the boomkin thread, afiak

Council of elders:
Wusholay Final orders

Megaera:
Breath of the Hydra

Durumu:
The Caster Ring.
Sandals of Starving eye

Dark Animus:
Chest Piece for Resto Chest or Boomy Chest for 4 set.

Iron Qon:
Shoulders for full 4 set

Twin Consorts:
Girdle of the Night and Day

Lei Shen:
Unerring Vision of Lei Shen if i dont get the breath of the hydra or wusholay.

Would be interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion that the Girdle of Night and Day is better than your current belt and that Unerring Vision/Breath of Hydra is better than Cha-Ye/Wushu trinket combo. Also in my sims, Relic of Yu-Lon sims higher than your currently equipped Essence of Terror.

I use maxdps.com as a guideline, I have yet to download wrathcalcs, which is what you are using I'm assuming? I know that Pippi uses Wrathcalcs and based on my discussions with him, maxdps.com is fairly accurate (though I don't completely trust it).

[Pippilongear]

, but I've noticed the occasional hiccup in its usage, times when I'm squeezing every single GCD that I can and my NS goes up, but the following HT does not, have you encountered this problem?

I'm assuming you're using an NS+HT macro when you get that "hiccup". It is a well-known "semi-bug" related to client vs. server lag. It happens when you press your macro while moving. Essentially what happens is when you hit the macro you pop NS but the lag between client and server means that the server doesn't recognize your NS right away, meanwhile you are moving and trying to cast a HT but the game client knows that you can't move and hardcast HT so it won't let you do that. The solution is either a) stop moving for a fraction of a second and pop the macro or b) spam the macro a few times and eventually it will pop

What about Mass entanglement vs Typhoon for fights like Horridon? Any thoughts?

I'd imagine disorienting roar would be more useful on horridon than Mighty bash as well. Then again, Ursols vortex could shut down a few melee only adds for a few seconds too.

None of the level 45 talents seem very useful for Horridon adds. I would probably take Ursols Vortex + Solar Beam for the adds on doors 2 + 4

Would be interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion that the Girdle of Night and Day is better than your current belt and that Unerring Vision/Breath of Hydra is better than Cha-Ye/Wushu trinket combo.

Girdle of Night and Day is a bit better than the VP belt (+800 dps at my gear level so i'd imagine it would be pretty similar for Forest) because Mastery is junk - relatively speaking, Mastery is only worth 75% of haste.

As for trinkets, current BiS for ToT is Cha-Ye + Wooshu but that is only *if* you can reforge away all of the hit - At certain gearing points it is almost impossible to reforge away all of that hit so Wooshulays drops down to a distance 4th behind: 1st Cha-Ye 2nd-BoH 3rd UVLS

Frankly I am swimming in hit right now so I'm avoiding Wooshu since even if you can use the hit it's only a *tiny* dps upgrade over the other ones.

UVLS is ridiculous - I tested it on PTR for a week doing some of the PTR ToT raids. While it's super fun when it procs, it sometimes procs at terrible times (like when the boss isn't dps'able...hello Lei Shen intermission...) and even when it does proc and I got my dots off, the rng nature of the SS procs + the SS overwriting + the SS "no-cast in-flight" rule made it super frustrating. I prefer to just avoid that one until everyone has it and then I'll pick it up for "funsies"

-PP

[Forestland]

, but I've noticed the occasional hiccup in its usage, times when I'm squeezing every single GCD that I can and my NS goes up, but the following HT does not, have you encountered this problem?

I'm assuming you're using an NS+HT macro when you get that "hiccup". It is a well-known "semi-bug" related to client vs. server lag. It happens when you press your macro while moving. Essentially what happens is when you hit the macro you pop NS but the lag between client and server means that the server doesn't recognize your NS right away, meanwhile you are moving and trying to cast a HT but the game client knows that you can't move and hardcast HT so it won't let you do that. The solution is either a) stop moving for a fraction of a second and pop the macro or b) spam the macro a few times and eventually it will pop

What about Mass entanglement vs Typhoon for fights like Horridon? Any thoughts?

I'd imagine disorienting roar would be more useful on horridon than Mighty bash as well. Then again, Ursols vortex could shut down a few melee only adds for a few seconds too.

None of the level 45 talents seem very useful for Horridon adds. I would probably take Ursols Vortex + Solar Beam for the adds on doors 2 + 4

Would be interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion that the Girdle of Night and Day is better than your current belt and that Unerring Vision/Breath of Hydra is better than Cha-Ye/Wushu trinket combo.

Girdle of Night and Day is a bit better than the VP belt (+800 dps at my gear level so i'd imagine it would be pretty similar for Forest) because Mastery is junk - relatively speaking, Mastery is only worth 75% of haste.

As for trinkets, current BiS for ToT is Cha-Ye + Wooshu but that is only *if* you can reforge away all of the hit - At certain gearing points it is almost impossible to reforge away all of that hit so Wooshulays drops down to a distance 4th behind: 1st Cha-Ye 2nd-BoH 3rd UVLS

Frankly I am swimming in hit right now so I'm avoiding Wooshu since even if you can use the hit it's only a *tiny* dps upgrade over the other ones.

UVLS is ridiculous - I tested it on PTR for a week doing some of the PTR ToT raids. While it's super fun when it procs, it sometimes procs at terrible times (like when the boss isn't dps'able...hello Lei Shen intermission...) and even when it does proc and I got my dots off, the rng nature of the SS procs + the SS overwriting + the SS "no-cast in-flight" rule made it super frustrating. I prefer to just avoid that one until everyone has it and then I'll pick it up for "funsies"

-PP

^^^^^^^^^
Though i havent had very good luck on the bis trinkets, i was hoping for the one from lei shen. but Depending on the weeks to come, we shall see if the GoD of RNG decides to let me win it or coin it

[Powergirl]

Yeah I'm swimming in hit to, I had assumed that it would get better as time went on, but when there are two people who use spirit int leather and only one that uses dps int leather, there isn't gonna be a whole lot of dps int leather. I can currently reforge away from all my hit, to the point that I'm below cap and I guess in a perfect world I wouldn't have any mastery at all on my gear, though I suppose SOME mastery is good to a certain point.

And any ways, this is why I don't just blindly trust maxdps, there are a few places where I find their "BiS" suggestion to be slightly odd.


Any ways, so I guess I'll be looking at getting a Cha-Ye and a UVLS, but you know, anything that's 522 between now and then that I can get will probably be an upgrade.

Which version of Wrathcalcs are you using btw? Is it the one you can currently download in the boomkin thread over on EJ?